we were just told with the passing of president nelson mandela that, even though he had visited five times, he was not delisted as a terrorist until 2008. now, how bad does the state department bureaucracy have to be in order to not notice that a sitting president is visiting the country and still on the list. finally something i want to ask governor abercrombie as an example -- >> i can't wait. >> i think this is one you'll be 100% with me. >> if you want a limited number of defense budget, wouldn't you rather see it spent at pearl harbor on real folks in the front lines than seeing it spent in thepentagon? every i.t. as it relates t obamca, relates to the defense partnt theyave a terrible procurement, wouldn't you -- speaking as an alum news of the armed services committee, as i am, i've had precisely those kinds of not arguments, but discussions, to how do we really advance the strategic interests of is the united states in terms of the pentagon. and often we got involved in programs, particularly in the acquisition of capital assets, planes and ships and combat systems, that got